Adding recoil starter to a 12hp Briggs vertical?

[Arkie]

Need to add manual recoil start to a electric start recoil starter air housing, Briggs 12hp vertical Model 281707, type 0222-01, code 90040231 and when looking at parts lists I see two different recoil types with same Briggs part number listed as 390391. One type uses the old style 399671 starter clutch which replaces the flywheel nut and a cup type clutch appears to be later version that appears to mount under a or the existing flywheel nut.


Anyone know if this type recoil ASSEMBLY 331680946641 listed on ebay can be used instead of the old type 39031 that uses the old style starter clutch 399671. Here is a picture listed on ebay 111679116571 of the old style 399671 starter clutch that uses the old style 390

Expert Opinions needed
Can this newer type recoil assembly kit 331680946641 listed on ebay be installed onto this 12hp engine electric start air cowling housing?

[bgsengine]

Depends on the crank - if your crankshaft has the long end to support the starter clutch you can use that system - but if the crank does not have that long piece sticking out above the flywheel you would have to convert to the "cup and dog" style starters

[KE4AVB]

And the Briggs PN 390391 Rewind Starter has been superceded to PN 693900 which is the one that pictured on Ebay.

At one time the crankshaft had a stud option which is still available if the crankshaft kit is ordered. So if your has a stem it might be removable if it is the stud type.

[RoyM]

Parts for the old style are still in the system (except for the housing) but it is no longer available as a complete assembly. To replace it with the new more reliable starter cut the crankshaft extension off just above the threads and install the cup, washer and nut.

[Arkie]

Parts for the old style are still in the system (except for the housing) but it is no longer available as a complete assembly. To replace it with the new more reliable starter cut the crankshaft extension off just above the threads and install the cup, washer and nut.

Right about the old style being more expensive if located few pieces at a time and them old style clutches with the ball bearings inside can be a real pain at times with intermittent hang ups due to not free wheeling when the engine is running then ruining the recoil spring. Depressing when you hear that squeal and see the recoil rope spit out of the housing AGAIN.

Appears to be good idea you have about grinding off the upper portion above the flywheel nut for the new style cup.
Have you ever attempted doing such??

That might work if I can get the top of the shaft and flywheel nut ground down enough to clear the extended part on the recoil that fits down inside the cup that is being bolted down by the flywheel nut.
I've got grinders that will take the metal off fast with no problem.

[bgsengine]

Have you ever attempted doing such??

Way back when, it was a very common, very frequent procedure to do when installing a short block to an electric start engine that did not have recoil starter. You had to cut the end off so the flywheel screen could be installed.

The starters should be of a design such that you should be able to chop the extension off close to threads (maybe leave an 1/8 inch ) - and be able to bolt in the new style recoil - if you get a recoil starter made for an engine that had a crank that takes a flywheel nut (as opposed to a bolt-down flywheel)