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Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

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Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby KE4AVB » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:27 am

Well guys looks like the Feds planning to mess with our fuel again. Here is an article I seen this morning on NBC news. Can our lawncare equipment handle this new Ethanol level as most of what I have seen is at E10 max? On bright side we will probably be doing more repairs related to it. To me it is a downside for the users. I reckon I better stock up on Stabil or other fuel stabilizer. I have seen what E15 does in the Spring before we switch over to E10 with fuel boiling in the fuel lines as one known problem causing fuel line vapor lock. I had two customers right across from me to have this problem one had MTD P90 and the other a Kohler Courage 21 hp.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-set-lift-restrictions-ethanol-gasoline-n918011
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby bgsengine » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 am

Poetic Justice - farmers producing corn for ethanol plants running E15 in machines not designed for it...
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby KE4AVB » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:44 pm

They probably do just they like they did here when the local farmer's coop was trying to sell the bio-diesel. The farmers would not buy it instead purchased regular diesel just do on buying so-called pure gasoline. Even what they call pure is loaded with additives which can and do cause problems.

I actually ran the bio-diesel in my JD650 and it performed very well. Just can't find it around here anymore.
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby 38racing » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:00 pm

up here I can still buy shell vpower with no ethanol
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby Skywatcher » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:03 pm

Greetings from Snowy Alberta

Does anyone know what the carbon footprint of a litre (quart) of ethanol is as compared to the same volume of gasoline? Here's where my train of thought is going:

To get ethanol, you have to:
1, Till the field, tractor burns diesel.
2, Plant and fertilize the corn, tractor burns diesel and chemicals used in fertilizer.
3, Control the weeds, chemicals used in spray and sprayer burns diesel.
4, Harvest the corn, combine harvester burns diesel.
5, Truck the corn to the processing plant, truck burns diesel.
6, Process the corn, natural gas used to heat the mash and a lot of CO2 given off during fermentation.
7, Distill the brew, natural gas used to heat the distiller.
8, Truck the ethanol to the refinery, truck burns diesel.
9, Truck the refined fuel bland to the gas station, truck burns diesel.

To get gasoline, you have to
1, Pump the crude oil from the ground, many pump jacks run on electricity.
2, Refine the crude, refineries often use the excess natural gas that comes out with the oil
3, Truck the refined gasoline to the gas station, truck burns diesel.

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. All the best,

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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby bgsengine » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:54 pm

Skywatcher wrote:Greetings from Snowy Alberta

Does anyone know what the carbon footprint of a litre (quart) of ethanol is as compared to the same volume of gasoline? Here's where my train of thought is going:

To get ethanol, you have to:
1, Till the field, tractor burns diesel.
2, Plant and fertilize the corn, tractor burns diesel and chemicals used in fertilizer.
3, Control the weeds, chemicals used in spray and sprayer burns diesel.
4, Harvest the corn, combine harvester burns diesel.
5, Truck the corn to the processing plant, truck burns diesel.
6, Process the corn, natural gas used to heat the mash and a lot of CO2 given off during fermentation.
7, Distill the brew, natural gas used to heat the distiller.
8, Truck the ethanol to the refinery, truck burns diesel.
9, Truck the refined fuel bland to the gas station, truck burns diesel.

To get gasoline, you have to
1, Pump the crude oil from the ground, many pump jacks run on electricity.
2, Refine the crude, refineries often use the excess natural gas that comes out with the oil
3, Truck the refined gasoline to the gas station, truck burns diesel.

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. All the best,

Sky


Yeah but it doesn't work that way in politics... :bricks: leave it to the government to take a perfectly working system and screw it up.
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby 38racing » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:19 pm

One analysis I do is compare all the research and processing and transportation and regulatory costs associated with gasoline and figure in that in Canada most of the price per litre is taxes. Yet that litre of gasoline costs a 1/2 of what I recently paid for a 1/2 litre of bottled water at tim horton.
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby bobodu » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:58 am

Hey 38racing......what does VIMY stand for on the back of this funny money? I forgotto pitch it off The Rainbow Bridge...
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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby Skywatcher » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:03 pm

Hi Bobodu

If you're talking about the $20.00 bill, it refers to the commemoration of the battle of Vimy Ridge in April of 1917.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/vimy-ridge Hope this helps,

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Re: Are we ready for E15 in the summer months?

Postby 38racing » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:58 am

bobodu wrote:Hey 38racing......what does VIMY stand for on the back of this funny money? I forgotto pitch it off The Rainbow Bridge...

That 20$ cdn could fetch you a usa 10 plus a usa 5.
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