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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby bgsengine » Sun May 12, 2024 7:09 am

Merkava_4 wrote:I think I may have found the problem. With the carburetor mounted to the tank without a gasket and the screws tightened, I can slide a .006'' feeler gauge in between the mating surfaces on the side that faces the intake manifold tube. With the gasket installed, and the screws tightened, I can slide a .0025'' feeler gauge in between the mating surfaces on that same side. That's the side opposite of the primer bulb. The other three sides aren't quite as bad. The primer bulb side is almost completely flat still. I first started out with a .002'' feeler gauge which is what Briggs & Stratton recommends for checking warpage. After that I tried a .004'' and then onto the .006''. Even though there is no gasket there, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be able to slide a .006'' feeler gauge in there. Being that the pickup tube and the emulsion tube tower is in the way, I don't think I will be able to file the surfaces flat.

Yeah that is pretty bad. I had not realized (Silly Me- read your original post too fast and missed the part about carb on top of tank!) that carb was on tank - with those it'd be fairly common to find warpage , though not quite so severe. Many of them can be fixed by doubling up the gasket - and the warpage is often caused by dumbass techs that think they know what "8 to 10 inch pounds" feels like by hand. They'd be wrong. all too often they just give it a "good twist" but then they've severely over-torqued the screws which deforms the nylon body and causes warpage - same reason the air cleaner bases warp causing primer failure on the float carb equipped mowers, and many other areas where nylon or plastic body stuff is screwed down to metal.

So, first try double gaskets and if that don't work, you may have to go on amazon and find a replacement (Might even find an OEM one for under 30 bucks someone liquidating a NOS inventory, etc.) Briggs also had a "gas tank repair kit" involving a tiny roll pin and a .003" thick tiny nylon washer that fit around it to resolve the warpage issues on the older metal body carbs, but they've never worked for me on the pulsa-prime.. but double gaskets has often helped (One new with new diaphragm and one old one, in a pinch, but I rather doubt it'd do for .006 warpage, so you may need 2 gasket diaphragm kits and throw out one of the diaphragms) - The idea being that as you tighten down the screws the "high points" of the surface will sink into the compressible gasket material while the "low points" can make contact with, but not fully compress, the gasket, but that'd seal 'er up.

Oh yeah if you wanna be more accurate in your work, get yourself a nice accurate torque screwdriver that does 0 to 50 inch pounds or so, take care of it (reset it back to lowest setting when done, but not beyond, before putting it away, keep it clean and in a good storage case where it isn't gonna get banged around) - A decent one isn't all that expensive, and if you do this kinda work for money, it increases the quality of your work, making you worth more, and reducing comebacks, and thus pays for itself.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby KE4AVB » Sun May 12, 2024 8:10 am

Please download and review the Briggs single cylinder L-head service manual if you haven't already. Screws are torqued to 15 in/lbs and the manual has a torque sequence shown too.

The carburetor is less than $40 for OEM or about $17 for an aftermarket version off Amazon but you need to order at $35 in items for free shipping.

Quite a few torque screwdrivers listed on Amazon too but please read the reviews and then choose one. I might actually get one myself but I have learn to lightly tighten small screws after having to replace a lot broken ones.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby creia » Sun May 12, 2024 5:57 pm

Merkava_4 wrote:I think I may have found the problem. With the carburetor mounted to the tank without a gasket and the screws tightened, I can slide a .006'' feeler gauge in between the mating surfaces on the side that faces the intake manifold tube. With the gasket installed, and the screws tightened, I can slide a .0025'' feeler gauge in between the mating surfaces on that same side. That's the side opposite of the primer bulb. The other three sides aren't quite as bad. The primer bulb side is almost completely flat still. I first started out with a .002'' feeler gauge which is what Briggs & Stratton recommends for checking warpage. After that I tried a .004'' and then onto the .006''. Even though there is no gasket there, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be able to slide a .006'' feeler gauge in there. Being that the pickup tube and the emulsion tube tower is in the way, I don't think I will be able to file the surfaces flat.


Was it leaking fuel around the base of the carb where it bolts to the tank? With the gap you measured it certainly could be leaking air, however, in my experiences they will also be leaking fuel from there as well.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby Merkava_4 » Sun May 12, 2024 10:07 pm

bgsengine wrote:Yeah that is pretty bad. I had not realized (Silly Me- read your original post too fast and missed the part about carb on top of tank!) that carb was on tank - with those it'd be fairly common to find warpage , though not quite so severe. Many of them can be fixed by doubling up the gasket - and the warpage is often caused by dumbass techs that think they know what "8 to 10 inch pounds" feels like by hand. They'd be wrong. all too often they just give it a "good twist" but then they've severely over-torqued the screws which deforms the nylon body and causes warpage - same reason the air cleaner bases warp causing primer failure on the float carb equipped mowers, and many other areas where nylon or plastic body stuff is screwed down to metal.

So, first try double gaskets and if that don't work, you may have to go on amazon and find a replacement (Might even find an OEM one for under 30 bucks someone liquidating a NOS inventory, etc.) Briggs also had a "gas tank repair kit" involving a tiny roll pin and a .003" thick tiny nylon washer that fit around it to resolve the warpage issues on the older metal body carbs, but they've never worked for me on the pulsa-prime.. but double gaskets has often helped (One new with new diaphragm and one old one, in a pinch, but I rather doubt it'd do for .006 warpage, so you may need 2 gasket diaphragm kits and throw out one of the diaphragms) - The idea being that as you tighten down the screws the "high points" of the surface will sink into the compressible gasket material while the "low points" can make contact with, but not fully compress, the gasket, but that'd seal 'er up.

Oh yeah if you wanna be more accurate in your work, get yourself a nice accurate torque screwdriver that does 0 to 50 inch pounds or so, take care of it (reset it back to lowest setting when done, but not beyond, before putting it away, keep it clean and in a good storage case where it isn't gonna get banged around) - A decent one isn't all that expensive, and if you do this kinda work for money, it increases the quality of your work, making you worth more, and reducing comebacks, and thus pays for itself.


bgsengine,

The service manual says 15 inch pounds on the 5 screws in a clockwise pattern.

Would you follow the instructions, or would you torque the screws in a criss-cross X pattern?

2-4-1-3-5 is what makes the most sense to me.


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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby Merkava_4 » Sun May 12, 2024 10:39 pm

KE4AVB wrote:Please download and review the Briggs single cylinder L-head service manual if you haven't already. Screws are torqued to 15 in/lbs and the manual has a torque sequence shown too.

The carburetor is less than $40 for OEM or about $17 for an aftermarket version off Amazon but you need to order at $35 in items for free shipping.

Quite a few torque screwdrivers listed on Amazon too but please read the reviews and then choose one. I might actually get one myself but I have learn to lightly tighten small screws after having to replace a lot broken ones.


KE4AVB,

I've got all the service manuals downloaded for Briggs & Stratton.

How would you torque the screws according to the screenshot I posted?

Would you do as Briggs & Stratton says and go clockwise, or would you go in an X pattern?

I'm looking for a torque screwdriver, but it seems kind of silly to spend $300 on a torque screwdriver for a $40 carburetor.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby Merkava_4 » Sun May 12, 2024 10:46 pm

creia wrote:Was it leaking fuel around the base of the carb where it bolts to the tank? With the gap you measured it certainly could be leaking air, however, in my experiences they will also be leaking fuel from there as well.
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The very edges of the gaskets were wet with fuel, but you'd never see it unless you had the tank and carb up close with your reading glasses on.

No fuel dripping on the tank at all.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby KE4AVB » Mon May 13, 2024 4:39 am

I am going to try the following tool myself.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSK2XV25/?coliid=I3MZMH8ULGQNE6&colid=2N91VL1JQY5EQ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

As for the torque sequence I leave it the engineers that deal with this a lot more than I do. Because I just don't see many of these old carburetors any more. 15 yrs they were all over the place but now it mostly float type carbs.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby bgsengine » Mon May 13, 2024 7:07 am

Merkava_4 wrote:
bgsengine,

The service manual says 15 inch pounds on the 5 screws in a clockwise pattern.

Would you follow the instructions, or would you torque the screws in a criss-cross X pattern?

2-4-1-3-5 is what makes the most sense to me.


I follow their pattern, I wondered myself why not to do criss cross, then when I sat down to think on it and watched it at eye level, it dawned on me that it actually helps prevent warping - the first screws to be tightened are along the edge of the tank where it is most rigid - the subsequent screws to tighten up are on the more flexible side of the tank which draw it up evenly against the carburetor base - If it was tightened in a criss cross you could draw up and lock in a flexible portion of the tank in such a way that when you go tighten screws in between it puts a ripple in the metal (very slight, but there) if you ever tried nailing down roofing flashing, or riveting a body panel from the corners to the middle, you'd quickly discover the logic of it....
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby Merkava_4 » Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:45 pm

I finally broke down and ordered a new carb off eBay. It's a Genuine 795475 and it was $44.22 shipped. The last time I bought one it was about $25 plus tax and shipping. Prices keep going up on everything.

I tried a different carb off a Murray mower and even though it primes just fine, it doesn't deliver fuel. I finally realized I tried everything I can and gave up.

I don't need the Craftsman mower around the house, but I've been doing some side jobs cutting grass. I need the mower for the green lawns. I've been trying to find tall dried out weeds to cut with my string trimmer, but houses with tall dried out weeds are surprisingly hard to find anymore.

And then the other problem is people don't have door bells. They'll have a security screen door covering their main door and no door bell. If I try knocking on the screen door, it doesn't make enough noise for the occupants of the house to hear. I'm wondering what the power company does if they need to go in the backyard for some reason. In my area, the power company comes by to inspect the tree in my backyard to make sure it's not touching the power lines. I don't have a screen security door. I have a hard door to knock on and a loud doorbell. People with a screen door should have a doorbell that both the occupants can hear and also the person standing at the door can hear.
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Re: Craftsman Push Mower Misfiring

Postby Merkava_4 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:21 pm

I put the new carburetor on today. It's a Genuine Briggs & Stratton 795475. Still Surges. The only other thing I could think of is a cracked intake manifold. I took the intake manifold off for inspection. It's in beautiful condition. Real thick heavy plastic. In the past when I've replaced the carburetor on this same engine, the engine would fire up on the first pull and run perfect. Not this time. It took several pulls to get the engine started and when it did, it immediately started surging. KE4AVB, bgsengine, if you guys are reading this, I'm at a total loss. I've never encountered anything like this before on a small engine.
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